Awlgrip vs gelcoat

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DefaultGelcoat Versus Awlgrip versus Easypoxy - showdown.

Hi folks.

I now have 2 (two) seacraft projects on stands and blocks, and instead of sanding, faring, or replacing decks/transoms, I would rather spend my time posting about painting the hulls (i.e. the last step). I know there are several great threads covering the benefits of all three approaches, but I would like to get all the relevant information into one thread. Someone did this a while ago with "twins on a 23", where most of the relevant info needed for repowering a 23 was concentrated in one mega-thread.

To be specific (and please correct me if I am wrong) here are the 3 scenarios:
1) Gelcoat - by this I mean buying Gelcoat from jamestown distributors and DIY. remove bottom paint. repair dings, gouges, etc with poly/glass. Quikfair. roll on Gelcoat. Sand. Roll on again. Sand.
2) Awlgrip - by this I mean professionally sprayed paint. Pros sand blast bottom. DIY repair dings, gouges, etc with poly/glass. Quikfair. DIY Primer and sand. Pros shoot paint.
3) Easypoxy - by this I mean roll and tip epoxy paint. remove bottom paint. repair dings, gouges, etc with poly/glass. Quikfair. high build primer. Sand. Roll and tip. Sand?

There are 3 things I would like to compare: cost versus quality of finish versus time I spend doing stuff.

Cost (Total WAGs - wild ass guesses):
1) Gelcoat: seacraft23 - $,seacraft23 - $,
2) Awlgrip: seacraft23 - $,seacraft20 - $,
3) Easypoxy seacraft23 - $,seacraft20 - $,

Quality
1) Gelcoat: new boat.
2) Awlgrip: better than a new boat.
3) Easypoxy seacraft23 - new boat from 25 feet.

Time
1) Gelcoat: 2 paint/sand cycles
2) Awlgrip: 1 paint/sand cycles
3) Easypoxy: 3 paint/sand cycles


OTHER QUESTIONS:
- below waterline versus above waterline (i.e. hull versus decks, console, etc.) I am leaning towards gelcoat on hull and easypoxy above decks on the 20, since that hull is in serious need of TLC.
- below decks? I have heard some folks slapping on a coat epoxy primer. Overkill?
- how much does the current state of the boat matter? My 23 had solid gelcoat I may just do a few repairs and try to color match the gelcoat. The 20 is a mess. Both structural stuff

IF THERE IS A THREAD THAT ANSWERS THIS, PLEASE LINK AND POINT ME TOWARDS IT!!!

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    Question Awlgrip vs Imron vs Gelcoat??

    Hello to all, I'm in the process of getting ready to refinish the outside of my Mako I have sprayed new gelcoat on the transom area when we I enclosed the transom, but I'm looking for an alternative to all the sanding and buffing involved with gelcoat. I was thinking about roll and tipping or spraying gelcoat on the bottom for durability and imron basecoat/clearcoat or Awlgrip on the sides. What's everyones opinion on awlgrip or awlcraft paint? My plan in the future is to repaint the inside in a year or two after I finish the outside.

  2. You'll never get any paint as tough as gelcoat. Scratch resistance - ease of repairs, etc. it's worth the extra work for sure.
    Is your mako a fish boat you don't mind a few scratches in? I'd recommend just top coat paint in those circumstances.

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    Yeah it's definitely a fishing boat. Not to worried about a scratch here and there. My 6, 4 and 2 year old kids take care of adding more just about every time we take it out. Just looking for something to make it look good and be a pretty strong finish.

  4. Gell on the hull, paint for top. IMO

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    Go for VC Offshore from Interlux for the hull. It is meant for underwater use and semi-shiny. Easy to apply via spray or roll/tip.

    as for topsides awlgrip or Brightside works good or go with perfection for something a little more durable. Awlcraft is not as durable from my research.

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    I have painted many boat bottoms with Imron and have never had any of it come off. I have personally left a boat in fresh water for almost a month with absolutely no moisture intrusion into the paint. In my opinion, I truly think that Imron is the most durable paint I have ever come in contact with.

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  7. I have a Mako that I will be painting and have been advised by my go to painters in the Tampa Bay area , a major boating re-build and refinish mecca that Awlcraft is the paint to go with . I have painted boats and many things with the old Imron but the new stuff is not the same . Now PPG has some amazing 2 part Urethane paints that stand up to 60 % Nitro in our RC boats and would also be a great paint in my opinion . All these chemicals are very expensive . Good Luck !!
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    My I have a Awlcraft painted 20' Wellcraft. Van Wagoners did the spraying. Good epoxy primer underneath. The entire Awlcraft system and that was over 10 years ago. Shines like it was just sprayed with little to no maintenance. Fairly scratch resistant. Gellcoat would never stay as shiny with such little care. Just don't go with Snow White, Mistake I made I leave the boat in the water for weeks at a time with no issue with the paint or water intrusion. Like Foley said it ain't cheap.. It can be rolled and tipped if desired. It can be sprayed with non-skid added, I like the finish although it might be too slick for hardcore fishingAwlcraft, (unlike Awlgrip) is a linear eurethane, meaning little scratches and scuffs can be buffed out it is the same color thru and thru. Aside for a carleless LEO doing a safety check and the occasional grounding (some intentional) no real bad scratches. Mind you and this is important, this boat is a trailer queen only.. I don't think ANY paint can endure the constant submersion of a boat being moored for long periods of time.. Gelcoat is the toughest but even gelcoat isn't impervious to water intruson forever, that is why moored boats get their bottom painted in the first place. No doubt gel is tougher. Not sure which way is the most work to be honest. Lots of prep sanding and painting, or sanding and buffing. Take your pick. The Albatross of a Steplift 20 that I still love to this day.
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  9. there are many types of imron , it is a brand onto itself now
    common would be called medium solids but you can order the MS/m/ms1 line with is a dedicated marine line, +, , etc so forth

    the new awlcraft low voc converter does allow it to spray very nice I have tried it on a couple boats I like the way it sprays. Time will tell how it stands up though



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    If you really what hardness in Gel coats for wearing surfaces like keels and strakes forefoot of the bow and across the backs of hulls and edges of transoms then try this !!, tooling gel coat mixed with fine Silica sand in combination of carborundum powder all grit size !!
    Even a angle 36 grit disc on a grinder has a really hard job just to scratch the surface !! Its what we used during the manufacture of moulds around the top edge as a first and second coat hand brushed !!
    Also on the bottoms of surf life saving boats that get dragged up on wet sandy beach's and left in the surf !!
    Then you have hard gel coat !! and cannot be sprayed !!
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    I like the toughness of gelcoat, but not all the sanding and buffing involved with it. I think I am going to use the following products for my project. Below the waterline, Apply 2 coats of hullguard extra then 2 coats of primer then top coat with Awlcraft Above the waterline I will apply just the primer and top coat with awlcraft The hullguard extra and are both epoxy primers. Has anyone sprayed any epoxy primer or awlcraft ? I have a sweet satajet hvlp gun I shoot base/clear with, but was thinking about buying a pressure pot setup. Thanks for all the comments.

  13. is good and easy to spray tip. Awlcraft is good stuff too and easy to work with. tip Don't let it cure too long before cutting and buffing as it will get real hard after 24 hrs. I prefer gell on the bottom for durability and the ability to let the boat sit in the water for longer periods of time. Paint is not recommended for below the waterline.

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Paint vs Gelcoat

I recommend against Kevlar for a

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keel strip. It will fuzz when it wears, it will not wear very smooth, and it is actually not as durable as glass with regard to the kind of blows that land on the outside of the hull.

The most durable cloths for making a keel strip are S-glass or E-glass. They have good strength in compression, they wear "glass" smooth, you can readily see any cracking within the strip (which you often cannot do with Kevlar), and glass is much easier to lay up. Also, when you go to sand the edges smooth and fair them in to the hull surface, glass sands easily, while Kevlar is a bitch to sand and fuzzes.

Kevlar is an INTERIOR reinforcement cloth. Put inside a boat, its ability to stretch without splitting or tearing is better than any other commonly used cloth. But it has only about half the compression strength of E-glass, and so is not a good exterior reinforcing cloth.

Dynel is sometimes used for wear strips because it wears very smooth while losing little of its own substance in the process. However, it is a structurally rather weak cloth, and it soaks up more weight in resin than glass.

You can get E-glass tape from suppliers such as johnrsweet.com. I do not recall whether they have S-glass tape, but I can tell from a year's experience with bottom reinforcement on one of my whitewater boats that even a single layer of S-glass is so hard and scratch resistant that you might not need a second layer.

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