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BrooksMT - Posted - 02/25/ 


Great write up on Wikipedia, Sheenjack. I learned a lot. Thanks for posting.

I've enjoyed shooting replicas of Colt Navy and Confederate copy. The spring on the hand that advances the cylinder breaks after a while, the only bad characteristic I've found (this on replicas built and shot in the 's, more modern replicas may do better). The guns are accurate (I won 2nd place in a contestagainst iron targets, grin).

CW Spook - Posted - 02/25/ 


Nice write-up. I have a pair of original Colts; an Pocket with ivory grips, and an London Navy, both serial number dated to I have the supplies to fire the Navy, but haven't gotten around to trying it yet.

Sheenjack - Posted - 02/25/ 


I have only one Colt. a 38 Detective Special. A great gun. From what I have read, it is nearly impossible to find a gunsmith to work on Colt revolvers if they need a tune up. They are much more complicated than Smith revos.

banjo bill-e - Posted - 02/25/ 


I still regret passing on a Diamondback at a gun show years ago. That gun fit my hand like it was custom made for it. I thought the price was high, and it was, but they have done nothing but get pricier ever since. The classic Colt revolvers have great ergonomics and "pointability". I would like a Navy to play around with, perhaps the finest black powder revolver ever made as regards to weight and balance and feel.

dflowers - Posted - 02/27/ 


My first hand gun was a 's era Colt Cobra. Two inch barrel six shot revolver. So fun to shoot at the range. I got lucky one day and outshot a guy with a 9mm. Only at about ten yards.

8thpol - Posted - 02/27/ 


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RonR - Posted - 02/27/ 


I have one I bought 44 years ago( snubnose) I took it to the range one day and learned to shoot.Its been locked away ever since.

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Wow , gotta say this is one of the strangest holiday gifts I have recieved It seems that since baby girl was home on leave from the A.F. and we were talking about handgunning over X-Mas dinner at mums , and I sorta recalled one of granpas sidearms that was supposed to end up with me , mums burrowed in and came up with a pair of matched colt revolvers that were supposed to be hers and her sisters (RIP) but she couldn't recall where the one granted to me was ?? I am not a vintage sidearm guy , the new stuff works just fine , but the one that caught my eye when Grandpa was here was a breach break single shot by "Iver johnson", I had heard of that name by an early American cycle company and so it was meant for me . Paps wasn't much for shooting but he was a lifelong member of the NRA and lived for his rights as an AmericanHopefully the IJ will surface but these Colt revolvers , by my internet searching so far , are looking very collectable , they look to be late '30's and never fired in 38 special and 45 caliber I've done some research and even though they are not ornate they collectable in this condition , I was gonna take them shooting but ??

I know there is an extensive crossover between Britbikers and gun owners so I figure you guys might point me in the direction to know what these are ..

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Bonzo, I don't know for absolute certainty but I would think Colt has a history department for their firearms. They're not exactly a "little known company" and have played a significant role in American (and others') history.

I've been a relic hunter since and in I recovered a Smith and Wesson Army Model (pocket model) caliber revolver, fully loaded, at a river crossing from Union Gen. Sherman's advance through South Carolina in I found an independent S/W historian who keeps the serial numbers for that brand. I think it was about $25 to obtain the records, but the guy sent me the records for this revolver. It was sold to a hardware store in New York in July, , from what he had. Then I pieced it together that it would up in the hands of Indiana troops, who were at the river crosing.

Long story short, Colt more than likely has a historian such as this who has your serial number, year of manufacture, etc.

My wife earlier this year re-acquired her Daisy BB gun she had as a child. I've even found a historian for those. Hers came back as having been manufactured in Dec.

It's out there somewhere.

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Colt does maintain a very complete set of records and provides a service for looking up your firearm. It is not cheap, last time I looked, for most firearms in the 's it was around $$ for a archive letter from them. There is plenty of information about Colt in books and the internet. I suspect if you asked on one of the forums you would get a general idea of age. Good Luck.


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Hopefully the IJ will surface but these Colt revolvers , by my internet searching so far , are looking very collectable , they look to be late '30's and never fired in 38 special and 45 caliber I've done some research and even though they are not ornate they collectable in this condition , I was gonna take them shooting but ??


Never fired? Ouch, that's a tough one. I look at old pistols differently than old motorcycles. The old saying "They're only original once" applies even more to firearms than it does to bikes. And IMHO, an original, unfired antique should probably be left that way. On the other hand, I have a pair of very old target Colts that I do shoot occasionally, but they are not to be used for serious target shooting. And if they were unfired, they would be hanging on the wall in a sealed case.

As for finding out what they are and what they're worth, I agree with the above comments, and once I have identified them, I would also check out Gunbroker.com to see what the market is. I've bought quite a few guns on Gunbroker, and it's the real deal.

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I look at old pistols differently than old motorcycles. The old saying "They're only original once" applies even more to firearms than it does to bikes. And IMHO, an original, unfired antique should probably be left that way. On the other hand, I have a pair of very old target Colts that I do shoot occasionally, but they are not to be used for serious target shooting. And if they were unfired, they would be hanging on the wall in a sealed case.

As for finding out what they are and what they're worth, I agree with the above comments, and once I have identified them, I would also check out Gunbroker.com to see what the market is. I've bought quite a few guns on Gunbroker, and it's the real deal.

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Agree with all that. Unfired Colts can potentially be valuable, so assume you have a "Gold Star" there and don't just fiddle with them.

"Iver Johnsons" are more blue-collar guns, I've got several from my ancestors and they're well-made guns but never expensive.

Try Gunbroker.com like he says to get an idea.

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Thanks for the advice guys . I did manage to find a source through the manufacturer that can send some sort of verification,should be $ well spent.I will take it to a local gun shop that can apraise these things ,I'm actually considering having them insured.

Generally speaking I am not much of an antique hunter . I do admire original antique type stuff but I'd rather look at someones collection than sit on the stuff myself but these things have sentimental value.I suppose that if firing them will devalue them they will just sit until I pass them down to one of the youngins.

Richard,the link you posted lists the as a '37 and the as a '39,this seems right as the certs in the cases are dated mar. '39 witgh my grandfather. thanks again

BTW, Lannis , you of all people should know that if I had a Gold Star it certainly wouldn't be spared the foolishness that I bestow on any other bike .


Thanks again-BONZO


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You can call Colt, and they will tell you year of manufacture. If you wish to have a letter with all the details, for provenance purposes, they will charge you. I would not fire them, and make sure they are in a moisture proof environment. I would also insure them, and keep them in a safe, or a safety deposit box. They will only go up in value.



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Just my 2 cents. Don't fire them. Years ago when I worked selling these things, if it was fired just once it was used. We once had a customer who bought a new S&W 41 Magnum. Fired it just once. When he wanted to return it we immediately went to the blue book and thats what he was refunded. It was technically used. To sell it as new would have been dishonest. More recently I sold a Rem. that I won. Never fired it and was able to sell it for near list price. Reason being, it was unfired.
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Yep , that's the plan. I really don't like the idea of these things sitting in a safe deposit box till one of the youngins has to make this same decision,by then he won't even remember great grandpasorta tempted to pass it along to an uncle that collects firearms but he did wrangle the lions share of the collection (some really cool stuff) and this pair was specifically passed to moms and my aunt. I figure for less than $ I can have these apraised,insured,authenticated by colt firearms and locked away in a safe deposit box to be paid for for decades and never used for their intended purpose?????? OMG these are trailer queens!!!!soooo soooo not how I doI may have to use one of themjust once I don't know if I could look at myself in the mirror knowing I own something that I don't use/abusecalllmmmmmiiiiinnnnggggg downnnnn
remember Grandpa he rode the snot outta his Indian scout and didn't shoot these things musta had a good reason yah .. that's it my JUSTIFICATION !! WWGPD??

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O.K. guys I was with you until you said get it registered in your name. Why would you do that? I have a "family" pre-civil war Remington 44 pistol. Never considered, or have any idea how to get it put in my name. Is it needed?



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O.K. guys I was with you until you said get it registered in your name. Why would you do that? I have a "family" pre-civil war Remington 44 pistol. Never considered, or have any idea how to get it put in my name. Is it needed?



He may live in a place with unconstitutional "gun registration" laws. Every time they're challenged, they lose in court, but some places still have them regardless of the law of the land.

Pre firearms don't fall under the Gun Control Act of , so they can be mailed, sold without a FFL, etc.

I assume Bonzo's Grandad's Colts are post, so he couldn't sell them through the mail (for example, not that he would) without an FFL. But if they came to him through the family, he shouldn't have to do anything to "put them in his name" that happens ONLY if you buy them through a licensed dealer.

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Who's name are they in now? I bet the State of Michigan has no idea that they even exist if they've been in the family for 70 yrs.
If mine, I'd just keep them locked up. Registered? Probably not.
But then, I'm not a fan of letting the governor know anymore than he/she needs to.
Or the feds for that matter

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MBLAB, I feel ya , and this is pretty much what my mothers patriarch had in mind as these were never deieded in his name ( he was adament about the government not knowing what firearms a citizen owns), but he had them "deemed " fireable back then .He was a lifelong NRA member but he did not believe in registering firearms with the government(he had certs for fireability dated Mar. '39), as far as I know moms was the first one to register it with the gubmint if it were up to me they would be undeclared but I am one of those guys that covers his arse by abiding by laws I know , pretty lame

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i'm with these guys Bonzo, NO WAY would i register ANY firearm unless i absolutely HAD TO.

as for these specific pieces, i wouldn't shoot them if it were me.

whatever it costs you to glean information on these from Colt is WELL worth it IMO for provenance, IN CASE OF re-sale and/or for family history purposes. definitely insure them and i personally would likely remove them from the house. i'd store them in a Safety Deposit Box (i have one already) along with whatever else i have that i wouldn't want either stolen or damaged in case of fire, flood, etc.

i'm kinda like you in that i traditionally USE whatever i have for its intended purpose, til it's dead or broken
lately i have re-thunk all that and subsequently have a couple things- which i PERCEIVE to be collectable- and hope will increase in *value*, AND which i may sell later in life- if and when i ever need the money



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Don't fire them. Years ago when I worked selling these things, if it was fired just once it was used. Skeet



Just my 2 cents, but isn't owning a firearm and not shooting it much like owning a motorcycle and not riding it because it is worth more than if it had been fired up and ridden? Don't we own these things to use and enjoy? A number of years ago I purchased a brand-new-never-issued-still-in-the- cosmoline Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 2. After a decade or so of just looking at it, I gave it as well as my entire collection of Enfields and Ross Rifles to my son with the advice to go out and use it for the fine piece of British craftmanship that it was intended. It`s a beautiful rifle to fire and he`s thoroughly enjoying the experience instead of storing it away for some future collecter to make a profit.


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In Canuckland flint BP and plugged collector "antiques" are legal no registration. I had thought of a flintlock for bear protection but cans of spray and a can of dogfood are easier to carry safely LOL! If I were you Bonzo I would non-destructo remove the firing pins (or have it done), ground down later hammers? and lead plug the barrel end and mount them on a wild west plaque.
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Don't fire them. Years ago when I worked selling these things, if it was fired just once it was used. Skeet



Just my 2 cents, but isn't owning a firearm and not shooting it much like owning a motorcycle and not riding it because it is worth more than if it had been fired up and ridden?



That's true, but it depends on how badly you REALLY want to shoot those particular firearms.

You wouldn't go out and shoot them because your Grandad shot them, because he never did (unlike the Indian Scout).

So would you go out and shoot them because you would get a visceral, deep-down pleasure in how THESE particular guns shot as opposed to a more modern beater-pistol, or even an old Colt that had already been shot a lot?

Think about it in bike terms. If your Grandad had left you a pristine, mint, never-even-started Indian Scout, the only one left in the world in "As New" condition, would you service it and start riding it to work on the Detroit interstates? Even if that made the "value" go from $, to $20, in a week?

Of course, if you're NEVER going to sell it, and it doesn't matter to you or your estate what the "value" of it is, then go ahead and use it!

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Just my 2 cents, but isn't owning a firearm and not shooting it much like owning a motorcycle and not riding it because it is worth more than if it had been fired up and ridden?


Interesting point. A motorcycle is started and run many times, even test ridden before it is usually sold as "New". And at least some of the higher end guns are test fired before they are sold, often even including the actual factory test target. So what's the difference? Not sure what model Colt's we are talking about here, but if they were test fired at the factory perhaps it's no big deal if Bonzo touches off a few rounds just for fun.

I think the more significant difference between guns and motorcycles comes in the 'restoration of wear and tear' department. You can restore a motorcycle fairly easily, but restoring a used fire arm is much more difficult. A re-blued version of a valuable gun can be worth but a small fraction of an unrestored original. Bonzo may be a wild man, but I doubt he would physically damage these guns by using them. (Note: BONZO, do NOT use them as hammers to drive in your tent pegs!!!) laughing

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If you wish to determine if they are truly unfired examine the rear third of the cylinder there are a series of notches cut back there which help index the cylinder to the barrel.If the gun had been fired even a little, there will be a fine circumfrential scratch through the center of these notches. This "turn line" is a normal occurance which happens as the "hand" touches the cylinder on rotation. If there's no line dont fire them as you will decrease their value by a full third or more. If there's a line present, a few rounds followed by a thorough cleaning will not affect their value at all.



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I bought it mail order from an ad in a magazine, price listed was $, or $ in excellent condition. It was a Colt New Service, formerly a Eley from the Canadian Mounties. I shot it for awhile as a Colt, then had it converted to Special. I had a machine shop install the S& W rear sight, and a gun shop install the Micro ramp front sight and reblue the entire gun. Using some scrap walnut I had on hand,. I made the target stocks. The gun was stolen from a gunsmith's shop in , and I got a Ruger Blawkhawk Magnum to replace it. Afterward I went through several M Colts.

I've gone through several Colt double action revolvers since then, now all my Colts are Single Action revolvers, mostly New Frontiers.


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quote:

Originally posted by BBMW:
Want somewhat similar functionality, but lots cheaper?



Warhorse beat me to the post but…Fixed it for you. Wink

As a cautious Taurus fan, and a participant in the Taurus thread, I did mention the thread in my post above yours, just did not link to it as I felt it stood on its own for anyone considering another alternative and the subject of this thread was specific to the Cobra. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate your intention to save those looking for a snub some money, but it may have been more persuading if a first-hand comparison of the Colt and Taurus could have been offered.

I left a direct comparison out of this thread as I was looking for some feedback specific to the Colt since the Taurus thread was there and recently active, but since I did handle two different all stainless Taurus snubs at the same time I handled the Colt Cobra (it was a two-tone with the brown G10 grip, the only one at the small show) I'll go ahead and share my impressions and observations since it was brought up.

With all due respect to the Taurus as a stainless 6 shot Special snub that will send slugs downrange just like the Colt Cobra will, that is where the similarities end. The overall fit, finish, material quality and appearance are not the same, and neither are the mechanical qualities, lockup, smoothness, and trigger pull. While the Taurus is certainly a good Special alternative for the money, you are most certainly not getting a Colt Cobra equivalent at almost 1/3 the price (after Taurus rebate). There are both tangible and intangible differences the Colt offers including a fiber optic and replaceable front sight, a better balance and grip, a little heavier to handle recoil better, a much better trigger pull especially in double action, a more spacious contoured trigger guard, and realistically speaking, the value retention and resale value of the Colt brand name is no contest.

As a reasonably priced tool, the Taurus absolutely serves its purpose. As an investment taking the aforementioned differences into consideration, there is no comparison. Just like a Volkswagen and BMW will both get you from point A to point B, there are reasons, other than simple brand name prestige, that a BMW and Volkswagen do not cost the same and that is in no way a knock on Volkswagens either. Wink



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